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 Post subject: Which is the best Apocalymon?
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Hey everyone,

So, I've returned to the game a few weeks ago, and I discovered that some people (myself included) had a very wrong idea regarding who the best Apocalymon is. Most of us believed the Foxy Gamer's video, where he compared the 4 different lines and, as such, most chose to only have or perfect clone the DemiDevimon line.

However, at the time the video was made, there were no Necklaces, Earrings and Advance Skill Break was possible (which was fixed for pretty much 99% of the digimon). So, I believe it's time we have a new and updated guide on which of the 4 lines of Apocalymon is the best!

Tamer, Digimon Stats and Equipment

For this guide, I will be using these stats and equipment, which are what most players already have or are aiming to have.

  • Tamer: Keenan (level 99)
  • Digimon Size: 125%
  • Flame Gloves: 300 attack + 150% to attributes
  • Attack Attributes: Pyramid Attack Attributes x2 (280 each)
  • Chipset: Level 9 All Family Attack Chipset x2 (135 each)
  • Quadcore Ring (200% Digitary Power): Attack Attack xxx xxx (600 each -> 1200)
  • Quadcore Necklace (200% Digitary Power): Attack Attack Speed xxx xxx (400 and 30%)

Since Critical Damage, Clones and Attribute Damage influence both Attack and Skill Damage, I will not take them into consideration!


Base Stats

Here's the base Attack, Attack Speed, Skill Damage and Cooldown for the 4 lines (F2 is maxed and F1 has 1 extra skill point)

  • Betamon: 1037 Attack, 1.99 Attack Speed, 2952 F1 (4 sec), 8140 F2 (6 sec)
  • Hagurumon: 939 Attack, 2.19 Attack Speed, 2484 F1 (4 sec), 8836 F2 (6 sec)
  • Palmon: 981 Attack, 2.09 Attack Speed, 1256 F1 (2.5 sec), 11520 F2 (12 sec)
  • DemiDevimon: 939 Attack, 2.19 Attack Speed, 1898 F1 (3 sec), 10088 F2 (7 sec)


Attack DPS

Now let's calculate the Attack DPS (damage per second) for the 4 lines, taking into account the equipment.

  • Betamon: 3747 Attack, 1.393 Attack Speed -> 2690 DPS
  • Hagurumon: 2676 Attack, 1.533 Attack Speed -> 2380 DPS
  • Palmon: 3691 Attack, 1.463 Attack Speed -> 2523 DPS
  • DemiDevimon: 3649 Attack, 1.533 Attack Speed -> 2380 DPS


Attack versus Skill Damage over 10 seconds

Since some people will argue that using skills will wield more damage than just attacking, I decided to compare the damage from only attacking with only using skills. Due to the cooldown of the skills, I had to calculate the damage over 10 seconds, instead of the basic DPS.

    Attack Damage over 10 seconds
  • Betamon: 26900
  • Hagurumon: 23800
  • Palmon: 25230
  • DemiDevimon: 23800

Since we are calculating the damage over 10 seconds, I need to figure out the best combo for each line to maximize the damage during the cooldown times of the skills. Even though there are animations for each skill, I decided not to take them into account! Below is the best combo for each line and the damage dealt over 10 seconds.

    Skill Damage over 10 seconds
  • Betamon: F2 / F1 / F2 / F1 -> 22184
  • Hagurumon: F2 / F1 / F2 / F1 -> 22640
  • Palmon: F2 / F1 / F1 / F1 -> 15288
  • DemiDevimon: F2 / F1 / F2 / F1 -> 23972


Conclusion

The Attack Damage output is superior to the Skill Damage output. This makes the best Apocalymon DPS the Betamon line, followed by the Palmon line and then the Hagurumon and DemiDevimon lines. If you still argue that using skills between attacks will yield more damage, let me remind you that:

  • You could still increase the Attack Damage by having the digimon size increase to 130%
  • There are buffs that increase the Attack Damage, but will not increase Skill Damage
  • The skills have animations which will reduce the damage you do per second

As an example, let's say that the digimon size is still 125%, but you have the Blessing of File Island Buff and the Overclock Buff (Attack +30%) (I chose these 2 since they are the most common). The Attack Damage over 10 seconds for each line changes dramatically!

    Attack Damage over 10 seconds with buffs
  • Betamon: 37660
  • Hagurumon: 33320
  • Palmon: 35320
  • DemiDevimon: 33320

So, if you are still wondering which Apocalymon to get, or which line to perfect clone, I hope you take this guide into consideration, before making a choice you might regret!

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Nice Post!!!!!!

I have 4 dark masters and I was thinking unlock apo to Betamon, and now I'm 100% sure, besides having low CD, has a good AS, and have to Giga Seadramon, now only save money for apo 80 - 100T ' ), a question, you know Apocalymos is good for EDG and ZDG? As Hitter or Tank? Or at least To Datamon?

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Javier1031 wrote:
Nice Post!!!!!!

I have 4 dark masters and I was thinking unlock apo to Betamon, and now I'm 100% sure, besides having low CD, has a good AS, and have to Giga Seadramon, now only save money for apo 80 - 100T ' ), a question, you know Apocalymos is good for EDG and ZDG? As Hitter or Tank? Or at least To Datamon?

Thank you for this post / tips / info


From what I've seen, most people that don't have AO, Kaizer or Magna, generally use Apocalymon. He is on the same level as a Jogress, has advantage against all attributes, can use memory skills but lacks the buff from tamers.

If you want to use him, always use him as a hitter, never as a tank. His damage output is really good, so it would be a waste not to use him as a hitter.

Let me know if you need anything else!

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Hitsuh wrote:
Javier1031 wrote:
Nice Post!!!!!!

I have 4 dark masters and I was thinking unlock apo to Betamon, and now I'm 100% sure, besides having low CD, has a good AS, and have to Giga Seadramon, now only save money for apo 80 - 100T ' ), a question, you know Apocalymos is good for EDG and ZDG? As Hitter or Tank? Or at least To Datamon?

Thank you for this post / tips / info


From what I've seen, most people that don't have AO, Kaizer or Magna, generally use Apocalymon. Is on the same level as a Jogress, has advanyage against all times, can use memory skills but lacks the buff from tamers.

If uou want to use it, always use him as a hittsr, never as a tank. His damage output is really good, so it would be a waste not to use him as a hitter.

Let me know if you need anything else!


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Some people say piedmon line is second best.


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libinjie wrote:
Some people say piedmon line is second best.


As far as Attack DPS goes, you can see that the Piedmon line is tied with the Machinedramon line for the last spot.

Like I said, some people will argue that using skills between attacks is the way to go (and those are probably the ones that say that the Piedmon line is the second best), but if you focus only on Attack, you maximize the DPS.

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Great guide, i usually do the 10 seconds test also if i wanna PF clone some Digis.

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Yeah, I thought about including the clones effect, but since that affect both Attack Da,age and Skill Damage, there really wasn't a point to do so... I wanted people to get a very good and clear idea so I tried to make this guide as simple as possible, mainly because, I've seen people still buying Piedmon for 50/60T because they are convinced he is the best line...

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I also thought Piedmon was the best line, that's why the only egg I bought was a 4/5 Soulmon... Guess I have to go back and save teras for a Betamon or try to hatch from normal eggs... :(


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Yugo wrote:
I also thought Piedmon was the best line, that's why the only egg I bought was a 4/5 Soulmon... Guess I have to go back and save teras for a Betamon or try to hatch from normal eggs... :(


I was actually really lucky that my only 5/5 was Betamon, so I was extremely happy when I found out he was the best DPS... However, I had already started perfect cloning Piedmon, so those clones went to waste... Oh well, we live and we learn :D

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